Pro Union!!!

topic posted Sat, May 6, 2006 - 8:48 PM by  offlineSatan`s Circus
I recently read a book that dealt with the impact of
the civil war on europe. It stated that the majority of
people in france were pro confederate as well as
the nobility, in england the regular folk were very
pro union but the nobility were pro confederate. in
germany it was the total opposite, the german
people were pro union as well as the nobility. In
fact the north raised money by selling bonds in
germany.

The book made the case that the reason that the
german people were strong union supporters was
that many germans immigrants wrote home in
support of the union. but what the book didn`t say
was why the german nobility were so strong in their
support of the north, I realize that the french and
english nobility felt a kinship for the southern aristocracy
but why didn`t the german nobility feel the same way?
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Satan`s Circus
Ohio
  • Re: Pro Union!!!

    Sun, May 7, 2006 - 10:18 PM
    I can't really say. The life of the old Junker nobility in Germany, on their great agricultural estates, was in some respects much like that of the Southern gentry. On the other hand, wealth was increasingly in the hands of the new rich, the industrialists of northern Germany, who had much in common with their counterparts in the northern United States.

    German immigrants in the United States were mostly on the Union side. Another factor was the propaganda value of "Uncle Tom's Cabin", enormously popular in Germany. 14 Germany language editions were published in 1852.

    specialcollections.vassar.edu/exh...html

    If you ever visit Berlin, you may see a district named "Onkel Toms Huette."
    • Re: Pro Union!!!

      Tue, May 9, 2006 - 6:42 PM
      Forrest,
      I never knew that uncle tom`s cabin was so huge in
      germany, I also find it totally amazing that there is a
      district named after it in berlin. I think maybe that is
      the main reason why germans were so overwhelmingly
      pro union, that and german immigrants writing home in
      favor of the north!!!!
  • Re: Pro Union!!!

    Tue, June 20, 2006 - 11:27 PM
    There was a huge wave of German emigration to America following the events of 1848. The Germans who emigrated at this time were generally liberal and in many cases democratic radicals who were no longer welcome in the German states. They tended to migrate to tthe Northern states because (1) they were often anti-slavery to begin with, and (2) there was more opportunity for workers in the Northern states because of the lack of competition from slave labor.

    By the time of the American Civil War these German immigrants to America were settling in, oten in the northern Midwest states such as Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Minnesota, etc. The states they settled in were on the side of the Union in the American Civil War. Their friends and relatives in Germany, many of whom they were still in contact with, knew this and knew that they had kin fighting on the side of the North.

    Now it's not _quite_ that simple because some of the Germans settled in the South, so there were Germans on both sides of the American Civil War. But for the most part, the German-Americans were on the side of the North, with the political effects just described.

    - Jordan
    • Re: Pro Union!!!

      Fri, June 23, 2006 - 10:00 PM
      Jordan
      I imagine that the slavery question was a deciding factor
      for some German immigrants settling in the the North, and
      more opportunities. But I`m not so sure that this was a
      deciding factor for all or most Germans. When you look at
      the number of germans that served in the Union armies,
      compared to the number of Germans in the Confederate
      armies it`s not even close! Now when you look at Irish
      immigrants they are basically well represented in both
      armies, both sides had their celebrated Irish brigades,
      but to find those german brigades you have to look at the
      union armies to find them.

      I think that another factor in Germans settling in the North
      was that it was the one place that reminded them most of
      home, I know that things like this are more complicated than
      saying this is the main reason why they settled in the north.

      Satan`s Circus
      • Re: Pro Union!!!

        Tue, August 7, 2007 - 3:33 AM
        this is an old thread but i want to comment. i think the overwhelming reason for german support of the union, transcending class is the profound german sentiment for a united GERMANY! Germans were scattered across Europe at the time and many germans longed for unity among the germans.

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