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Recently I read a biography on Rommel, it said he was from Swabia and
that he was dark complected which was owed to his Swabian roots.
Where is Swabia located? What is the Swabians Ancestry?
Satan`s Circus
that he was dark complected which was owed to his Swabian roots.
Where is Swabia located? What is the Swabians Ancestry?
Satan`s Circus
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Re: Where Is Swabia?
Sun, March 26, 2006 - 12:27 AMSwabia (German: Schwaben or Schwabenland) is both a historic and linguistic (see Swabian German) region in Germany. Swabia consists of most of the present-day state of Baden-Württemberg (specifically, historical Württemberg and the Hohenzollerische Lande), as well as the Bavarian administrative district of Swabia. In the Middle Ages, Baden, Vorarlberg, the modern principality of Liechtenstein, modern German-speaking Switzerland, and Alsace (nowadays belonging to France) were also considered to be a part of Swabia.
The people of Swabia have in former times been the target of many jokes and stories where they are depicted as excessively frugal, overly serious, prudish, or as simpletons, for instance in "The Seven Swabians" (Die sieben Schwaben) published in Kinder- und Hausmärchen by the Brothers Grimm. Similar jokes are often made by the French toward Belgians, Australians toward New Zealanders, or Canadians towards Newfoundlanders. However, this has ceased to a large extent, while Swabians are nowadays said to be stingy.
The surname "Schwab" is derived from this area, meaning literally, "One who hails from Swabia."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swabia
Swabia is in the SW corner of Germany, the region of the Black Forest. It was long a poor and backward part of Germany, unlike the industrialized and relatively prosperous north. The Swabians speak a dialect called Schwaebisch, and in the past were often regarded as hicks. Unlike Prussia, Swabia had no strong military tradition. Rommel was an atypical general, having worked his way up through the ranks and having little in comon with the aristocratic "vons" of the General Staff.
During the 20th Century, Germany modernized and became much more cosmopolitan. Regional differences are no longer as important as they once were. -
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Re: Where Is Swabia?
Sun, March 26, 2006 - 5:51 PMForrest
You seem to be the expert on Germany and all things German!
I have a few questions on Erwin Rommel, in this biography on
him, they said he was petty and vindictive. Is this a widely held
view of him?
Also, they described his relationship with Hitler as his worship
of Hitler, is that accurate?
and the most curious thing I found was that his Leadership of
the Afrika Korps wasn`t as impressive as all the doumentaries
suggest. What is the reason for this vast difference? I mean did
the British build him to mythic status to account for his stunning
victories?
Also thanks for the heads up on Swabia, never heard of it, but
now I know!!!!
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Re: Where Is Swabia?
Mon, March 27, 2006 - 1:28 PMRommel is generally praised as an officer loved by his men and respected by his enemies as a gallant warrior. One can cite numerous anecdotes to support this. For example, at one point, the Afrika Korps captured a Jewish Brigade serving with the British, and Hitler ordered that they be executed. However, Rommel managed to "lose" that order; the Jews were treated as POWs. After the war, Rommel was lionized because of his (belated) opposition to Hitler.
However, Rommel had a more complicated relationship with his fellow generals, who regarded him as an upstart, egotist and Nazi fanatic. Gen. Halder wrote in his diary (July 6, 1941): "Rommel's character defects make him extremely hard to get along with, but no one cares to come out in open opposition because of his brutality and the backing he has on the top level." In part, this can be put down to the jealousy of fellow officers who saw Rommel promoted above their heads because of Hitler's favoritism.
In the early days, Rommel certainly had a worshipful attitude toward Hitler, regarding him (like many others) as the savior of Germany. For this, he was rewarded by many medals and promotions. This changed when the war turned against Germany.
Rommel was certainly a capable general, but no more so than many others who are less famous. He was greatly assisted by ineptitude on the part of British generals who failed to understand the fluid nature of desert warfare. Rommel regularly outflanked them. Often, he was able to bluff them with a weaker force. Even when he was forced to retreat, his formidable reputation prevented the British from pursuing him as swiftly as they should have; they felt sure that the cunning "Desert Fox" was setting ambushes for them.
Generally, the British found it easier to blame their defeats on Rommel's supposed genius than on their own bungling. This helps to account for fame, which far exceeds his (not to be scorned) abilities.
Rommel's great handicaps were: (1) The British had broken the German codes; this enabled them to intercept reinforcements and prevent him from getting gasoline for his tanks. (2) Hitler viewed the war in North Africa as a sideshow and never gave Rommel the support he needed; he also prevented Rommel from retreating when he badly needed to.
There have been many biographies of Rommel.
www.amazon.com/gp/product...969-7371127
He was himself the author of a book on military strategy.
www.amazon.com/gp/product...969-7371127
His personal papers have also been published.
www.amazon.com/gp/product...969-7371127
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Re: Where Is Swabia?
Sat, April 14, 2007 - 11:51 PM
The Nazis also claimed a part of the South Pole and called it "New Swabia" See my profile for the link or wiki it. There is a story of a carrier task force being sent down there in 1946 to look for Hitler in some imaginary base. They never found the base or anything else as far as I know. But I have read about the inexplicable task force going there in many different media. The Nazi's unconditional surrender on 8 May, 1945 relenchished their claim to "New Swabia".
Swaz
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Re: Where Is Swabia?
Tue, April 17, 2007 - 10:45 PMI would like to agree with what Forrest is saying.
My grandfather was a soldier under rommel. All he ever told us was that Rommel was a fair leader for his soldiers, they respected him and he, like other leaders back then, didn't "slaughter" (sacrifice) his soldiers (and other people) for the lunatic glory of A.H.
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Re: Where Is Swabia?
Fri, June 29, 2007 - 8:35 AMSome people here need to read more about Rommel
before they cast judgment.
He was praised by the English soldiers as a great
general, and tommy's would say 'You pulled off a
Rommel' when they did something extraordinary.
He led by example. He ate the same food as his
Soldat, and unlike so many other generals, he was
always up front, directing the battle. His prisoners
were treated with respect and dignity, and were
given the same rations as his troops, and himself.
The best book I've found, and I have over 30 on
Rommel, is: 'With Rommel in the Desert' written by
his aide-de-camp in Afrika.
The nord Afrika campaign is always characterized
as the war without hate, and the more you understand
his character and choices, you'll come to know the
field marshal and the hero he was.
Following the was, the German navy named a
battleship after him.
ultimately, he died because he did the right thing, and
that is a rarity that deserves the respect.
How many other German generals refused to round
up the Jews in France against a direct order from
Hitler.
Just because you live in the US, that doesn't make
you a Republican by proxy.
Rommel was very a member of the Nazi party.
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Re: Where Is Swabia?
Fri, June 29, 2007 - 8:46 AMThat should have been:
Rommel was never a member of the Nazi party. -
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Re: Where Is Swabia?
Mon, July 2, 2007 - 8:12 PMVery few German generals were. -
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Re: Where Is Swabia?
Tue, July 3, 2007 - 5:46 AMHow many "generals" in the US "invincible Wehrmacht" are "conservative Republicans?" How many MUST be in order to "manage their careers?" "Ideology" replaced experience after Baghdad... I mean Stalingrad... -
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This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
Re: Where Is Swabia?
Thu, July 5, 2007 - 8:20 AM"Conservapedia and the Third Reich: Truth as Vandalism" by Pamela Troy
www.buzzflash.com/articles/...utors/1115
<<One of the more surprising myths that has sprung up on the Internet in recent years is the premise that National Socialism was a leftist rather than a right-wing political movement. It’s a form of historical revisionism, rooted in cultural illiteracy, that’s been spreading like a rash through the worldwide web, popping up in comments pages, surfacing in the occasional blogger essay, and triumphantly being presented as an argument on online forums.>>
I would be interested in the tribe's reaction to this.
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Re: Where Is Swabia?
Thu, July 5, 2007 - 10:19 AMThe socialist wing of the Nazi movement was crushed on June 30, 1934, in the "Night of the Long Knives." Thereafter, it played no substantive role. Having reached a crossroads, Hitler had decided to rely on the support of traditional conservatives, the industrialists and the military, while reining in the brown-shirted leftist rabble.
In his memoirs, Speer wrote: "It was no accident that after the Rhoem putsch the Right, represented by the President, the Minister of Justice, and the generals, lined up behind Hitler . . . in the Blood Purge of June 30,1934, the strong left wing of the party, represented chiefly by the SA, was eliminated. That wing had felt cheated of the fruits of the revolution. And not without reason. For the majority of the members of the SA, raised in the spirit of revolution before 1933, had taken Hitler's supposed socialist program seriously."
www.amazon.com/Inside-Thi...415-0375004
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Re: Where Is Swabia?
Thu, July 5, 2007 - 2:12 PM
It is also little known that after WW2, the Nazi underground railroad known as Odessa, who helped Adolf Eichman and Klaus Barbie escape to Argentina, failed in their attempts to found a new country known as "Swaziland". Swaziland DOES exsist (it is a little soverign nation withing the borders of South Africa) but a sea of blacks flooded-in and ran all of the evil Nazi's out. Thus Swaziland is the last geographic remnant of the 1000-year German Reich.
They were also going to move all of the Jews to Madagascar, but the logistics proved impossible.
Swaz
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Re: Where Is Swabia?
Fri, July 6, 2007 - 5:01 PM
If you said Madagascar, YOU'RE RIGHT! Although a little island of Nazis surrounded by blacks is kind of funny.
Madagascar & the Jews
As Hitler formulated plans for lebensraum he initially investigated Madagascar for German resettlement, and Goebbels makes reference to plausible emigration to the area. Those plans were abandoned, though and instead Madagascar was seriously considered as a failsafe "Jewish homeland" wherein all German Jews and those in occupied territories could be sent in a massive deportation effort. What is not often mentioned is that plans for German resettlement were abandoned for far fewer people due to the potential lack of resources, and the discussions of relocating the Jews there never took note of this fact for far greater projected numbers. The "Madagascar Project" never came to fruition, as the war stepped up and Operation Reinhard was formed, and instead killing centers worked night and day in genocide, diminishing the German's need for a Jewish homeland.
www.shoaheducation.com/endlosung.html
Follow-up question: What if it had worked? Would Madagascar be called Israel now?
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Re: Where Is Swabia?
Thu, July 19, 2007 - 1:20 PMyet, Israel came to be. But what the fuck does this have to do with Schwabenland ?
Says the one Schwab to the other......
"Yo, Bruder.....wo kommen den die ganze Arschloecher den uff eimaaal her ?"
The "other Schwab replies..."
"Ei, aus Hessen, Bayern un all die anner Laenner!"
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Re: Where Is Swabia?
Fri, July 20, 2007 - 8:50 AM3. The Germans failed to take Malta. Had they taken the island, more supplies would have made it to nord Afrika.
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